3.11 Tartars, women, and revolutions (104)

Mon, 8 May 89 20:12:51 EDT

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 3, No. 11. Monday, 8 May 1989.

(1) Date: Mon, 8 May 89 00:28 EDT (12 lines)
Subject: Tartary

(2) Date: Mon, 8 May 89 01:29:17 EDT (31 lines)
From: Don D. Roberts (Philosophy) <ddrob@watdcs.UWaterloo.ca>
Subject: Tartars

(3) Date: 8-MAY-1989 12:07:51 (13 lines)
Subject: women in medicine, cont.

(4) Date: Mon, 08 May 89 09:42:02 PLT (18 lines)
From: "Guy L. Pace" <PACE@WSUVM1>
Subject: Revolution

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Date: Mon, 8 May 89 00:28 EDT
Subject: Tartary

Eighteenth Century Englishmen would certainly have known about
Tartary from Marco Polo.

For information about what Europe generally knew about the East, consult
Mary Campbell, _The Witness and the Other World: Exotic European Travel
Writing 600-1600_ (Cornell, 1988). (This is a terrific book, incidentally,
and reads as well for pleasure as for study.)
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Date: Mon, 8 May 89 01:29:17 EDT
From: Don D. Roberts (Philosophy) <ddrob@watdcs.UWaterloo.ca>
Subject: Tartars

Richard Goerwitz's note aroused my curiosity, tho no doubt some
"professionals" will do better. Webster's 9th Collegiate gives, under
"Tatary...or Tartary": an indefinite historical region in Asia &
Europe extending from Sea of Japan to the Dnieper. No wonder it is
difficult to find on maps.

Better was the Century Dictionary: Tatary...more frequently Tartary...
A name formerly given to central Asia, on account of the inroads of
Tatar [= Tartar] hordes in the middle ages. It was later sometimes
divided in part into Chinese Tatary (East Turkestan) and Independent
Tatary (Turkestan). The name has also often been extended to include
Manchuria, Mongolia, and Europe westward to the Dnieper or Don. Hence
the division into European and Asiatic Tatary.
Tatary, Chinese. See Tatary.
Tatary, Crim. See Crimea. [I didn't bother.]
Tatary, Gulf or Sound of. An arm of the sea which separates Saghalin
from the mainland of Siberia, north of the Sea of Japan.
Tatary, High. A name sometimes given to East Turkestan.
Tatary, Independent. See Tatary.
Tatary, Little. A name formerly given to the regions in southern
Russia occupied by Tatars (Crimea, Kiptchak, etc.).

The entry preceding "Tatary" is: Tatars...or Tartars.
Probably R.G. has all this and more already, but just in case....

I wonder if it snowed anywhere in Tatary today (yesterday--Sunday) as
it did a bit in Waterloo.
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Date: 8-MAY-1989 12:07:51
Subject: women in medicine, cont.

"Ministering Angels", the first of three articles in
HISTORY TODAY Vol 39 February 1989 (published by History
Today Ltd., 83-84 Berwick Street, London W1V 3PJ
ISSN 0018-2735), written by Anne Summers of the Wellcome Unit
for the History of Medicine, looks at the tensions between
spiritual and material motivations in Victorian nursing and
social reform with particular reference to professional
women at work and Florence Nightingale. (With photos and
a six book bibliography.)
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Date: Mon, 08 May 89 09:42:02 PLT
From: "Guy L. Pace" <PACE@WSUVM1>
Subject: Revolution

In support of Perry, I must point out that the intellectual American
Revolution occurred on paper (Declaration of Independence, Federalist
Papers). The war conducted by by the fledgling Congress and the
Continental Army was more on the level of a civil war (since
most of the military actions were fought by militia on both sides).
When you get right
down to it, it should have been called the First American Civil War
resulting from a successful political and intellectual revolution. From a
"long-view" perspective, the war was never finally decided one way or the other
until the end of the Second American Civil War (1860-1865), which effectively
removed British economic and political influence on the United States.

As it is, Perry's asbestos skivvies shouldn't be in danger of being put
to a test by fire.