4.0329 Queries: GRAMCORD; Simtel; E. Journals; On Poems (5/97)

Elaine Brennan & Allen Renear (EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET)
Mon, 30 Jul 90 20:42:33 EDT

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 4, No. 0329. Monday, 30 Jul 1990.


(1) Date: 30 Jul 90 09:5:00 EDT (13 lines)
From: DAVID REIMER <REIMER@WLUCP6.BITNET>
Subject: GRAMCORD address

(2) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 90 11:17:18 CDT (13 lines)
From: Charles Ess <DRU001D@SMSVMA>
Subject: Simtel BITNET address

(3) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 90 17:35:33 CDT (23 lines)
From: "Charles Bailey, University of Houston" <LIB3@UHUPVM1>
Subject: Electronic Journals on BITNET/Internet

(4) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 90 15:34:34 EDT (16 lines)
From: Sheizaf Rafaeli <USERLLHB@UMICHUB.BITNET>
Subject: The best part of the poem is its fallacy?

(5) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:30:28 EDT (32 lines)
From: Sarah L. Higley <slhi@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Subject: Wittgenstein on poems

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Date: 30 Jul 90 09:5:00 EDT
From: DAVID REIMER <REIMER@WLUCP6.BITNET>
Subject: GRAMCORD address

I would like to be able to contact the GRAMCORD Project (at Trinity
Evangelical Divinity School, Deerfield) by E-mail. I have addresses and
phone numbers: does anyone out there know their E-mail address? I would
find it very strange if they were not hooked up with some network.
Thanks.

David Reimer, Wilfrid Laurier University
REIMER@WLUCP6.BITNET

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 90 11:17:18 CDT
From: Charles Ess <DRU001D@SMSVMA>
Subject: Simtel BITNET address

A recent message points to the existence of a wonderful fractal program
on the Simtel file-server. For those of us who must address the Internet
by way of BITNET mail to have such files sent to us -- can someone
provide the BITNET address I need for the Simtel file-server?

Thanks in advance,

Charles Ess
Drury College
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 90 17:35:33 CDT
From: "Charles Bailey, University of Houston" <LIB3@UHUPVM1>
Subject: Electronic Journals on BITNET/Internet

As the editor of two electronic journals (The Public-Access Computer
Systems Review and Public-Access Computer Systems News), I am writing an
article about electronic journals on BITNET and Internet. I would
appreciate any information about such journals, especially journals that
are analogous to printed scholarly journals. Please send your messages
to me at LIB3@UHUPVM1.

Thanks for your help.

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Date: Sun, 29 Jul 90 15:34:34 EDT
From: Sheizaf Rafaeli <USERLLHB@UMICHUB.BITNET>
Subject: The best part of the poem is its fallacy?

A familiar-sounding quotation in Hebrew came up in a discussion
recently. The phrase is "MEITAV HASHIR KZAVO (or KIZVO)". Roughly
translated, this means "the best part of the poem is its fallacy".

Does anyone know the origin of this quote? Other similar-meaning
statements? Does the paradox tickle you too?

Thanks,

Sheizaf Rafaeli, Sheizaf@UMichUB


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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:30:28 EDT
From: Sarah L. Higley <slhi@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Subject: Wittgenstein on poems

A Wittgenstein query:

In my haphazard notes of yesteryear I have uncovered a Wittgenstein
dictum which is a verynice summation of one of the points I'm making
about Welsh poetry, but I have no attribution. I've checked the
Wittgenstein Concordance under _Gedichte_, but it is really only a
Concordance to _Philosophical Investigations_. Perhaps one of you out
there might be able to identify it in the way that four of us could
identify Holmes's memory attic (somehow I think Doyle is more coherent
and classifiable than our esteemed philosopher):

Do not forget that although a poem uses the language
of information, it is not involved in the language-game
of _giving_ information.

There 'tis, and my excavations of the Blue and Brown Books and _The
Essential Wittgenstein_ and other texts won't unearth it.

Speaking of information and knowledge, is a distinction made in
cognitive science between information and sensation? If you put your
elbow in your hot soup by mistake, aren't you informed by the way you
jolt, yelpingly, out of your seat, that you have erred? Or does the
"information" come separately? When we read, is that a sensation? When
we remember, isn't that a sensation as well?

Thank you, Professor Kessler, for the kind remarks about the koan.
Perhaps I made up "don't think of a monkey." And my name really ought
to be Quigley, as so many have said that it would suit me.