5.0119 Rs: FTP; Lillabulero; Self-Immolation; Rustex-L (6/125)

Elaine Brennan & Allen Renear (EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET)
Tue, 4 Jun 91 17:09:25 EDT

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 5, No. 0119. Tuesday, 4 Jun 1991.


(1) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 91 11:22:35 EDT (18 lines)
From: Maurizio Lana <LANA@ITOCISI>
Subject: FTPing using VMS...

(2) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 91 22:24 EST (7 lines)
From: CLINARDJ@MCMASTER
Subject: lillabulero

(3) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 91 00:14 EDT (22 lines)
From: Michel LENOBLE <LENOBLEM@umtlvr.bitnet>
Subject: Re: Sentence Length

(4) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 91 18:51 N (12 lines)
From: Jorg Kanppen <KNAPPEN@DMZNAT51>
Subject: RE: 5.0112 Queries: FTP from VMS/VAX;

(5) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 91 09:29:50 MDT (28 lines)
From: koontz@alpha (John E. Koontz)
Subject: Re: 5.0106 Language Issues: RUSTEX-L

(6) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 91 12:02:34 CDT (38 lines)
From: gary forsythe <gfgf@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Self-Immolation

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Date: Sat, 01 Jun 91 11:22:35 EDT
From: Maurizio Lana <LANA@ITOCISI>
Subject: FTPing using VMS...

I experienced similar problems in my first attempts: commands like CD,
or GET, didn't work from my VAX. The reason was that one must start FTP
with Ultrix (Un ix-like) interface. Then those commands function.

Sometimes there's another problem: you issue DIR, you get the message
"port com mand successful", and then an error message about 'data
connection nor working? , or something like. Any help about this?

Thank you.

Maurizio Lana
CISI - University of Turin - Via S. Ottavio 20 - 10124 Torino - Italy
Strada del Lauro 47 - 10132 Torino - Italy
e-mail: LANA at ITOCISI.BITNET
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 91 22:24 EST
From: CLINARDJ@MCMASTER
Subject: lillabulero

A journal with this name was published in 1967 in Chapel Hill, NC. A
score is printed on the back cover. For copies, send me a fax/mail
address.
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 91 00:14 EDT
From: Michel LENOBLE <LENOBLEM@umtlvr.bitnet>
Subject: Re: Sentence Length

for those interested in sentence lenght studies should read several
studies by Etienne Brunet. One of his articles might be of interest for
those whishing to have a closer look at sentence lenght structure and
evolution in the works of Zola compared to other french writers.

"La phrase de Zola" dans La critique litteraire et l'ordinateur /
literary criticism and the computer, Bernard Derval & Michel Lenoble,
eds., Montreal: Derval&Lenoble, 111-157.

Michel Lenoble
Litterature Comparee
Universite de Montreal
C.P. 6128, Succ. "A"
MONTREAL (Quebec)
Canada - H3C 3J7
E-MAIL: lenoblem@cc.umontreal.ca
Tel.: (514) 288-3916
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 91 18:51 N
From: Jorg Kanppen <KNAPPEN@DMZNAT51>
Subject: RE: 5.0112 Queries: FTP from VMS/VAX;

VMS-ftp defines the commands in VMS-style, thus cd will be SET DEF etc.
There is a help available which is also in a good VMS style. Note that
you need to enclose everything which you want to save from being
uppercased in "quotes".

Happy ftp'ing,
J"org Knappen
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 91 09:29:50 MDT
From: koontz@alpha (John E. Koontz)
Subject: Re: 5.0106 Language Issues: RUSTEX-L

John Slatter writes:

>I tried contacting RUSTEX-L at the address given by DJBPITT in his recent
>submission to HUMANIST. The address listserv@ubvm appears to be
>incomplete - at least, our e-mail here assumes ubvm is an address in
>Durham and refuses to deliver to it! Are there some bits which DJBPITT
>omitted?

Concerning John Slatter's problems with listserv.ubvm as an address for
the RUSTEX-L list, I think that the problem is that this is a Bitnet
address. An Internet (or JANET in this instance?) mailer given a single
host name like this will attempt to resolve it in the local domain
(e.g., Durham). What it needs is addition "stuff" after ubvm to tell it
to look further afield. One common form would be listserv@ubvm.bitnet,
for example. Contact your local postmaster or consultants and ask how
to reach a host in the Bitnet network.

For an example of alternative Internet and Bitnet addresses under the
.bitnet scheme, see David Birnbaum's signature in his reply to this
query:

> Professor David J. Birnbaum djbpitt@vms.cis.pitt.edu [Internet]
> The Royal York Apartments, #802 djbpitt@pittvms.bitnet [Bitnet]

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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 91 12:02:34 CDT
From: gary forsythe <gfgf@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Self-Immolation

Concerning the notion and practice of self immolation, Sir James George
Frazer in his *Golden Bough* long ago pointed out that it was an ancient
Near Eastern tradition for kings to immolate themselves in a
conflagration. I may have some of the details incorrect since I am
recalling this from memory, but here is what I recall at the present
time. In the Book of Kings in the Old Testament, Zimri, a king of
Israel, perished in his palace in a conflagration. Shamash Shumukin,
ruler of Babylonia, when his revolt from Assyria was in collapse,
immolated himself in a similar fashion. The famous story of the Lydian
King Croesus (Herodotus I. ca.80-95 or so) is probably to be understood
in similar terms, especially since a vase painting and a poem of
Bacchyleides tend to suggest that Croesus may have actually perished
during the Persian capture of Sardes, rather than being miraculously
saved by the god Apollo in Herodotus' version of the story. Herodotus
(VII. 107 or so) tells a story involving a Persian noble named Boges
who defended the town of Eion at the mouth of the Strymon River in
Thrace against the attack of the Athenians under the leadership of
Cimon, following Xerxes' invasion of Greece. When it was evident that
the town would fall to the Athenians, Boges immolated himself and his
family. In discussing these various stories, Frazer attempted to
connect them with ideas of a king's immortality. As pointed out in an
earlier reply, there are the Roman cases of the Decii Mures, although
one of them is probably fictitious. Both are described in Livy's
history of Rome. The first case (probably not historical) is supposed
to have occurred in 340 B.C. (Livy VIII.11 or so). In this passage Livy
actually discusses the religious ceremony in some detail. The Roman
form of self immolation was termed devotio, in which a commander of a
Roman army devoted both himself and the opposing enemy forces to the
gods of the underworld in return for Roman victory. In 295 P. Decius
Mus devoted himself to death in the great battle of Sentinum, which was
crucial in securing Rome's dominance over Italy (Livy X.23 or so). This
incident seems to have been historical and was the basis for the
fictitious devotio of this man's father in 340 B.C.