5.0687 Terms for Dislike of Males (9/121)

Elaine Brennan & Allen Renear (EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET)
Mon, 17 Feb 1992 19:33:54 EST

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 5, No. 0687. Monday, 17 Feb 1992.

(1) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 92 11:27:41 EST (13 lines)
From: alufml@fnma.COM (Francois-Michel Lang)
Subject: misogynist

(2) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 92 11:04:31 CST (14 lines)
From: (James Marchand) <marchand@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: misogyny/misandry

(3) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 92 14:11+0000 (11 lines)
From: Heberlein@KU-EICHSTAETT.DBP.DE
Subject: misogynist

(4) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 92 09:20:56 GMT (8 lines)
From: Rainer Henrich <K145310@CZHRZU1A>
Subject: Re: 5.0667 Rs: Terms for Dislike of Males (5/106)

(5) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 08:52 EST (27 lines)
From: Herb Stahlke <00HFSTAHLKE@BSUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject: Misogynist

(6) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 92 13:10:41 EST (10 lines)
From: "Edwin S. Segal" <ESSEGA01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject: Neologisms

(7) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 14:33:41 EST (12 lines)
From: mlbizer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Marc L. Bizer)
Subject: Re: misandrist/misanthrope

(8) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 92 18:27:00 IST (16 lines)
From: "David M. Schaps" <F21004@BARILVM>
Subject: Re: 5.0667 Rs: Terms for Dislike of Males (5/106)

(9) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1992 03:15 EET (10 lines)
From: MANYMAN@FINUHA.BITNET
Subject: Misandrist

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 92 11:27:41 EST
From: alufml@fnma.COM (Francois-Michel Lang)
Subject: misogynist

Brigitte Werneburg wonders about the a term similar to
misogynist, but denoting a man-hater.

The term she seeks, if I remember my Greek aright, would be
"misandrist", but I've never seen it in any dictionary.
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 92 11:04:31 CST
From: (James Marchand) <marchand@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: misogyny/misandry

Brigitte Werneburg is looking for a word comparable to misogynist, meaning
"male hater." The OED registers under miso- the term misandry "hatred of
males", so that there must be a word misandrist. I should have thought
that misanthropist might do, though it is usually taken in a wider sense.
I suppose one needs to discuss male dislike of females and female dislike
of males, along with male dislike of males (also misandry) and female
dislike of females (also misogyny), but I am not sure I know why. Maybe
philandry sounds too much like philandering, and philogyny sounds too much
like what I make my living doing.
Jim Marchand
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 92 14:11+0000
From: Heberlein@KU-EICHSTAETT.DBP.DE
Subject: misogynist

(See enclosed)
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A parallel word-formation should deliver "misandrist", since
misogynist is formed of greek miso (hate) + direct object
gyne (woman) + suffix -istes (like sophos - > sophistes)
Greetings,
Fritz Heberlein
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 92 09:20:56 GMT
From: Rainer Henrich <K145310@CZHRZU1A>
Subject: Re: 5.0667 Rs: Terms for Dislike of Males (5/106)

The correct noun is "misandry" ("the hatred of males"), see
The Oxford English Dictionary.
In German: "Misandrie", in French: "misandrie".

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 08:52 EST
From: Herb Stahlke <00HFSTAHLKE@BSUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject: Misogynist

I've lost Bridgitte Werneburg's e-mail address, so I'll post this response
to her query directly.

The fact that there is no male-oriented counterpart to "misogynist" in
English is another reflection, through a lexical gap, or cultural bias
against women, like the fact that there is no term corresponding to
"guy" that isn't loaded in some other way. "Gal" certainly won't do
the job. "Misanthrope" has a more general meaning, as its etymology
might suggest. Greek "anthropos" means "human being," not "male
human," which would be "aneer (gen. andros)." The two dictionaries I
checked, Webster's Seventh and the Random House American College
Dictionary (neither current but the one's I had handy), define
"misanthrope" as "hater of mankind." To make that gender-specific
would, by a common application of Gresham's Law to language, result in
losing the more general meaning, just as has happened with words like
"gay" and historically early cases like "prevent" and "wife." I might
suggest the formation "misandrist," which would be etymologically more
precise and would plug that lexical gap without creating a new one.
By the way, wouldn't the assumed gender of misogynist default to male?
I've never seen it used to describe a woman.

Herb Stahlke
Ball State University
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 92 13:10:41 EST
From: "Edwin S. Segal" <ESSEGA01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject: Neologisms

FROM: Edwin S. Segal
Department of Anthropology
PHONE: 502-588-6864

How about "misandrogyny" which yields "misandrogynist?"

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 14:33:41 EST
From: mlbizer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Marc L. Bizer)
Subject: Re: misandrist/misanthrope

It is strange that the English language does not seem to have a word
that describes someone who hates men; there is certainly nothing as commonly
as accepted as "misogynist" for someone who hates woman. "Misanthrope" will
not do, since it applies to someone who hates "anthropoi", i.e. human
beings; Moliere's misanthrope does not hate men in particular, but rather
the human race. "Misandrist" as someone has just suggested is a very good
choice, being constructed in the same way as "misogynist".
--Marc Bizer
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 92 18:27:00 IST
From: "David M. Schaps" <F21004@BARILVM>
Subject: Re: 5.0667 Rs: Terms for Dislike of Males (5/106)

I must object to John Jones' statement that "andros" is the Attic form
of "aner". "Andros" is the _genitive_ (that is, in English terms,
possessive) of "aner", and the neologism, if it is not to be illiterate,
should be "misandrist", without the "-os" ("andr-" being the root stem
of all forms of "aner"). "Misanthrope" does not mean a hater of males,
but a hater of human beings, regardless of sex.

David M. Schaps
Department of Classical Studies
Bar Ilan University
Ramat Gan, Israel
FAX: 972-3-347-601
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1992 03:15 EET
From: MANYMAN@FINUHA.BITNET
Subject: Misandrist

Of the five responses [5.0667] to Brigitte Werneburg's request
for a term comparable to misogynist, Oliver Phillips's proposal
hits the mark: the right mot savant is MISANDRIST. (And the
"embarrass de richesses" of possibilities was only apparent.)
Martti Nyman (Dept of General Linguistics, University of
Helsinki, Finland)