6.0671 Rs: Judas (7/118)

Elaine Brennan (EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET)
Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:32:40 EDT

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 6, No. 0671. Thursday, 15 Apr 1993.


(1) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 23:44:01 BST (19 lines)
From: Christopher Currie <ccurrie@clus1.ulcc.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: 6.0668 Qs: Judas

(2) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 19:35 CDT (5 lines)
From: Michael Ossar <MLO@KSUVM>
Subject: Judas

(3) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 21:30:22 EDT (11 lines)
From: mccarty@epas.utoronto.ca (W. McCarty)
Subject: the strongest disciple

(4) Date: 14 Apr 1993 09:19:03 +0200 (EET) (30 lines)
From: JSMEDS@finabo.abo.fi
Subject: Re: 6.0668 Qs: Judas

(5) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 07:25:52 EDT (17 lines)
From: Eric Rabkin <USERGDFD@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject: Judas

(6) Date: 14 Apr 93 10:19:11 EST (20 lines)
From: "David A. Hoekema" <DHOEKEMA@legacy.Calvin.EDU>
Subject: Judas Iscariot, Calvin, and Hobbes

(7) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 8:24:33 EDT (16 lines)
From: Ed Haupt <haupt@pilot.njin.net>
Subject: Judas

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 23:44:01 BST
From: Christopher Currie <ccurrie@clus1.ulcc.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: 6.0668 Qs: Judas

> Date: 12 Apr 1993 20:04:38 -0600 (CST)
> From: HOKE ROBINSON <ROBINSONH@MEMSTVX1.BITNET>
> Subject: Judas
>
> A student of mine is interested in the rehabilitation of Judas Iscariot, and
> would like to know of any litarary (but also historical, theological or
> philosophical) works pursuing that theme (or for that matter opposing it).
> This is a bit out of my field, and I wonder if any HUMANIST subscribers
> could help me out.
> Hoke Robinson, Philosophy, Memphis State (ROBINSONH@MEMSTVX1.BITNET)

How about Borges's 'Three [? or more] versions of Judas', translated
by di Giovanni in *Labyrinths*? (Sorry, I can't lay my hands on my copy).

Christopher Currie
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 19:35 CDT
From: Michael Ossar <MLO@KSUVM>
Subject: Judas

On Hoke Robinson's inquiry about Judas, there's Robert Graves' _King Jesus_.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 21:30:22 EDT
From: mccarty@epas.utoronto.ca (W. McCarty)
Subject: the strongest disciple

In reply to Hoke Robinson's question about the rehabilitation of Judas
Iscariot: see Nikos Kazantzakis' _The Last Temptation of Christ_, in
which Judas is the only disciple capable of understanding and carrying
out the betrayal, at his master's request. A fine book.

Willard McCarty

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Date: 14 Apr 1993 09:19:03 +0200 (EET)
From: JSMEDS@finabo.abo.fi
Subject: Re: 6.0668 Qs: Judas


Thgis is to Hoke Robinson re: Judas his rehabilitation. I am at the moment
rereading a copy of Robert Graves's *King Jesus* for a critical
section on the novel in my doctoral thesis, which is on Graves's
mythinterpretation and -creation. Graves's view may seem quite
idiosyncratic and he also manages to draw in Judas of Keriot in
places and he certainly does reinterpret his role.

Ultimately Graves's view of Jesus fuses two basic ideas: Jesus is
a late survival (in the sense of E.B.Tylor in the 1880's) of
a middle Eastern cult which sacrificed its divine king at the
end of a given term. This idea Graves basically derived from
J.G.Frazer's Golden Bough. Second, Jesus is an archetype poet.
Because Jesus's death was only one in a long row of similar sacrifices,
Judas's role is to act as mediator of a tradition. Not as a traitor
of his spiritual leader.

There must be loads of books on the subject, both less serious
novels, such as Graves's, and dead-pan serious philosophical
tractatus's

Best wishes

John Smeds
Abo Akademi University
Finland
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 07:25:52 EDT
From: Eric Rabkin <USERGDFD@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject: Judas

> A student of mine is interested in the rehabilitation of Judas Iscariot, and
> would like to know of any litarary (but also historical, theological or
> philosophical) works pursuing that theme (or for that matter opposing it).

Try "Three Versions of Judas" available in English in *Labyrinths*
by Jorge Luis Borges.
Eric

Eric Rabkin esrabkin@umichum.bitnet
Department of English esrabkin@um.cc.umich.edu
University of Michigan office : 313-764-2553
Ann Arbor MI 48109-1045 dept : 313-764-6330
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Date: 14 Apr 93 10:19:11 EST
From: "David A. Hoekema" <DHOEKEMA@legacy.Calvin.EDU>
Subject: Judas Iscariot, Calvin, and Hobbes

In response to Hoke Robinson's query on behalf of his friend interested in
the rehabilitation of Judas (for which on one construal the opportune moment
passed when he hanged himself, but I presume it is his historical reputation
that is intended): an entirely nonscholarly point of reference is a rather
bitter song entitled "Stand up, stand up for Judas," sung by a Scots
folksinger, Dick Gaughan (sp?). I don't have the recording, but saw it
recently listed on a CD and remembered hearing it on a campus radio station.
I don't remember the lyrics very well, but I remember being puzzled as to
whether it was antireligious, anti-Christian in particular, or merely anti-
clerical and anti-institutional.

...

|| David Hoekema, Academic Dean, Calvin College (Grand Rapids MI 49546) ||
|| tel. 616 957-6442 || fax 616 957-8551 || <dhoekema@calvin.edu> ||

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 8:24:33 EDT
From: Ed Haupt <haupt@pilot.njin.net>
Subject: Judas

There is a man named Edward Haber who has a program on Saturdays on WBAI
in New York. He has frequently played a song, "Stand up for Judas" which
makes Jesus to be the sinner.

You can send a letter to him at:

WBAI-FM
Pacifica Radio
505 Eighth Ave.
New York, NY 10018

Ed Haupt