7.0465 Qs: Freemasonry; E-Bookstores; Greek Tagging (4/150)

Thu, 10 Feb 1994 19:00:00 EST

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 7, No. 0465. Thursday, 10 Feb 1994.

(1) Date: Tue, 8 FEB 94 14:44:50 BST (22 lines)

(2) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 94 12:04:02 CST (54 lines)
From: stan kulikowski ii <STANKULI@UWF>
Subject: inside bigger that outside?

(3) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:06:50 -0500 (EST) (27 lines)
From: Allegre Christian <allegre@ERE.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: Electronic Bookstores ?

(4) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 17:52:26 EST (47 lines)
From: Demetra Agelopoulos <da23@columbia.edu>
Subject: [Demetra Agelopoulos <da23@columbia.edu>: ANCIENT GREEK

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Date: Tue, 8 FEB 94 14:44:50 BST

The history and evolution of freemasonry.

Information would be gratefully received about any recent research on
the 19th /early 20th century history of freemasonry in any country. In
particular, recently published articles off-the-mainstream or in the
non-academic press would be most useful.

Please contact:

Dr Deian R Hopkin
Dean, Faculty of Human Sciences
London Guildhall University
Old Castle Street,
London E1 7NT UK

DR_Hopkin @ uk.ac.lgu.tvax

Thank you in anticipation.
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 94 12:04:02 CST
From: stan kulikowski ii <STANKULI@UWF>
Subject: inside bigger that outside?

i am preparing a brief technical note on transdimensional mechanics and
i would like some assistance from historians and scholars on the internet.
please share this message with other networks that may have interest in
math or historical scholarship. the particular phenonmena i am working
with is "the inside is bigger than the outside" property of 4D objects.
i would like to check out my little history and solicit comments and

perhaps since the time of semimythical pythagoras and certainly since
plato, we have characterized the universe according to geometrical
dimensions: point, line, plane, and space. there is agreement upon these
dimensions since the 5th century BC. as near as I can tell (boyer and
merzbach 1991), geometries of higher dimensions did not get started until
1854 when riemann at the university of gottingen formulated "hypotheses
which lie at the foundation of geometry". by this, the geometry of euclid
is found to be a small subset of the geometries of riemann. the
foundations for einstein's relativity of spacetime were set here.

so, the notion of dimensions beyond 3D does not seem to appear in
history until 1854. on the night that john kennedy was assassinated (22
nov 1963), the BBC began broadcasting a television program which features
a properly constructed 4D vehicle (an unearthly child, _dr who_). the
TARDIS is bigger inside than out, and this is mentioned often in the
series. _dr who_ became one of the most successful fantasy programs ever
broadcast, being discontinued in 1989 after 27 years of production. so
november 1963 which is the earliest popular media protrayal of a 4D
structure that I know of. edwin abbott (18??) _flatland, a romance in
many dimensions_ is the earliest text on beyond 3D i know of, coming out
shortly after riemann.

but there are others. how long have illusionists been pulling the rabbit
out of the hat? something-out-of-the-hat and similar illusions are based
on the surprise of drawing large objects out of small spaces. this is
basically a property of 4D containers-- you could put a lot in them. it
would not surprise me if out-of-the-hat illusions began appearing after
riemann's famous lecture at the university of gottingen. i have studied
some ancient magic and occutlism and i recall no reference to creating
containers that are bigger inside than out. so did these illusions begin
only after riemann introduced the math needed to imagine this property?
or could it have been the other way around: riemann saw the rabbit out of
the hat trick and then considered higher dimensional geometry?

=== god created time so everything would not happen at once
god created space so everything would not happen to me
--- -- lament of the overburdened
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:06:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Allegre Christian <allegre@ERE.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: Electronic Bookstores ?

As I was hopping along from site to site in gopherspace recently,
I noted the presence of an *Electronic Bookstore* accessible through a
telnet session (it was a commercial organization, with a .com domain
name). On the same menu the OCLC was available. But I forgot to keep a
bookmark and now I have lost the reference.

I wonder if someone has seen this or any Electronic Bookstores on
the net and would kindly send their e-addresses to me.


Ch. Allegre
Universite de Montreal
Departement d'etudes francaises

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 17:52:26 EST
From: Demetra Agelopoulos <da23@columbia.edu>
Subject: [Demetra Agelopoulos <da23@columbia.edu>: ANCIENT GREEK

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I am an undergraduate student at Columbia University's School of
Engineering and Applied Science. I am currently in the process of selecting
a specific project for a class called Computing and the Humanities.

My interest lies in working with Ancient Greek texts and their
translations, such as Sophocles' Antigone. My goal is to analyze the
translations and compare them to both the original text, and to different
translations, and to determine the correctness of these translations.

I would like to know if anyone has done a tagger for Ancient
Greek, or if anyone has done similar work with comparisons of
translations, so as to assist me with my project. My initial findings
will be available on WWW by May and will be accessable to all.

Please forward any responses to me at:

e-mail da23@columbia.edu

Demetra Agelopoulos