10.19 @ = Affenschwanz, Klammeraffe, a commercial, arroba, Strudel, apestaartje, slingeraap, arobaceTue, 14 May 1996 19:38:16 -0400 (EDT)

Humanist (mccarty@phoenix.Princeton.EDU)
Tue, 14 May 1996 19:38:16 -0400 (EDT)

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 10, No. 19.
Center for Electronic Texts in the Humanities (Princeton/Rutgers)
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[1] From: henrich@theol.unizh.ch (9)
Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

[2] From: Lepine Brigitte <lepineb@ERE.UMontreal.CA> (11)
Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

[3] From: Attachment Research Center (26)
<Postmast@ATTACH.EDU.AR>
Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

[4] From: iwml <iwml@ukc.ac.uk> (3)
Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

[5] From: Joseph Galron <jgalron@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> (7)
Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

[6] From: kosters@rulub4.LeidenUniv.nl (31)
Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

[7] From: "Charles C. Hadley" <hadley@univ-lyon3.fr> (19)
Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

[8] From: Willard McCarty <Willard.McCarty@utoronto.ca> (10)
Subject: @

[9] From: Dennis Cintra Leite <Dennis@eaesp.fgvsp.br> (47)
Subject: RE: 10.18 how to say "@"?

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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:50:26 +0200 (MEST)
From: henrich@theol.unizh.ch
Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

Usually I say "at" even when speaking German (and I think this is
the original meaning of the sign). In Swiss German, we call it
"Affenschwanz" (which means monkey-tail). In Germany, it is called "Klammeraffe"
(spider-monkey).

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--[2]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:58:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Lepine Brigitte <lepineb@ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

What does one say in German, > French, Italian, and in the many non-European languages on the > internet when in English one gives an e-mail address, say > "jones@exeter.ac.uk" as "jones at exeter.ac.uk" (allowing for the fact > that the period is uttered as "dot")? In French (here, in Montreal), I usually hear "a commercial" (which is of course "commercial a".

B.Lepine lepineb@ere.umontreal.ca

--[3]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:50:29 -0300 From: Attachment Research Center <Postmast@ATTACH.EDU.AR> Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

@ is "arroba" in Spanish; pronounced ah-'roh-bah

JC Garelli

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Juan Carlos Garelli, MD, PhD Department of Early Development University of Buenos Aires

--[4]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 01:08:07 +0100 From: iwml <iwml@ukc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

Never mind the "@" sign!

On this side of the Atlantic, a period is a full stop in English!

Ian Mitchell LAmbert University of KEnt at Canterbury

--[5]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:52:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Galron <jgalron@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

Concerning the"@" sign: in Israel, among many compute wizards, this sign is called "Strudel" (because of the shape of an Apfelstrudel) Joseph Galron ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph (Yossi) Galron | Internet: jgalron@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Jewish Studies Librarian | galron.1@osu.edu Ohio State University Libraries | or jgalron@aleph.lib.ohio-state.edu 308 Main Library | URL http://aleph.lib.ohio-state.edu

--[6]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:15:36 +0000 From: kosters@rulub4.LeidenUniv.nl Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

Here in The Netherlands many of us say *apestaartje* (i.e. *monkey's tail*) or *slingeraap* (i.e. spider monkey, according to the dictionary) for *@*. The habit usually stops from the moment we know what *@* really means (i.e. *at*).

OnnOKosters

--[7]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 96 12:38:28 +0200 From: "Charles C. Hadley" <hadley@univ-lyon3.fr> Subject: Re: 10.18 how to say "@"?

In French I sometimes say "at" (in English), sometimes "arobace" (the French name for the typographic character), sometimes "a" with circular gesticulations. the "dot" is "point", incidentally.

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--[8]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:03:37 -0400 From: Willard McCarty <Willard.McCarty@utoronto.ca> Subject: @

Perhaps someone more learned in palaeography than I will confirm that the @, "at-sign", is derived from the minuscule letter "a" by extending the terminal stroke (at the lower right-hand corner) counterclockwise up and over the top of the letter, then around it to the base-line. It is, I think, a "commercial a" in the sense that it was used by if not devised to serve those transcribing items with their prices, "5 pounds of potatoes AT 2 cents per pound". It would be interesting if in any language other than English the sense of "at" were to be used in speaking the @.

WM

Willard McCarty, Univ. of Toronto || Willard.McCarty@utoronto.ca http://www.epas.utoronto.ca:8080/~mccarty/wlm/

--[9]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:17:22 -0300 From: Dennis Cintra Leite <Dennis@eaesp.fgvsp.br> Subject: RE: 10.18 how to say "@"?

In Portuguese we would say "arroba" - the reason being that the @ sign is used as notation for a measure of weight (non metric, equivalent to about 15 kilograms and somewhat obsolete) with that pronunciation.