10.0071 quotations? encryption?

Humanist (mccarty@phoenix.Princeton.EDU)
Fri, 31 May 1996 20:26:52 -0400 (EDT)

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 10, No. 71.
Center for Electronic Texts in the Humanities (Princeton/Rutgers)
Information at http://www.princeton.edu/~mccarty/humanist/

[1] From: Marco Simionato <simionat@mbox.vol.it> (7)
Subject: quotations sought

[2] From: "Peter D. Junger" <junger@pdj2-ra.F- (47)
Subject: Humanist Archives and Discussion of Encrypting Texts

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:36:22 +0200 (METDST)
From: Marco Simionato <simionat@mbox.vol.it>
Subject: quotations sought

I have found somewhere that both T.S.Eliot and W.C.Williams in their
writings expressed reservations of the sonnet as a viable 20th-century
poetic form, but no source was given for these statements. Any pointers?

Please reply directly, thanks.

Marco Simionato Technical Translator, Software Localiser
Dorsoduro 2408/b tel/fax +39 41 5225570
30123 Venezia, ITALY email: simionat@mbox.vol.it

Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:55:05 -0400
From: "Peter D. Junger" <junger@pdj2-ra.F-REMOTE.CWRU.Edu>
Subject: Humanist Archives and Discussion of Encrypting Texts

This message relates to particular form to text encoding: text
encrypting so that the unwanted cannot read one texts.

I recall that some years ago--many years ago as one calculates things
in cybertime--during the original avatar of Humanist we had a fairly
lengthy discussion of the ways by which one could preserve the
confidentiality of electronic messages, including the possibility of
using compression programs and UU[en/de]CODing and obscure foreign
languages. (As I recall I suggested using _Schweinfurterisch_.)

I doubt that I preserved any of that discussion, though I have not
checked my ``archives'' from that period, which archives, if they exist,
are sitting on the ZIP disks that contain when is left of the
information I collected on my old office machine running MSDOS, before I
converted to a Linux system. But even if I have actual copies of those
messages--which, as I just mentioned, is doubtful--I would like to be
able to locate them in a public archive, if one exists, for use in a law
suit I propose to bring to enjoin the enforcement of the licensing
scheme under the International Traffic in Arms Regulations that makes it
a felony to publish or otherwise disclose to ``foreign persons''--a term
that I fear applies to many members of this list--any software, or
description of such software, that is capable of preserving the
confidentiality of information, without first obtaining a license from
the censors in the Office of Defense Trade Controls in the United
States Department of State.

So my question is: Do the old Humanist archives still exist, and
where are they located if they do? And I would also like to know if
there are any other archives where those old discussions might be

I should add that if any of you have found that you have been
constrained in communicating information about cryptography--or if
others have been constrained in communicating such information to
you--because of the ITAR's licensing scheme, I would be very
interested in hearing about it.

The subject is one that should be of considerable interest to Humanists,
since most schemes that can be used to sign or certify a text to attest
to its accuracy can also be used for encryption, and are thus subject to
the ITAR's licensing provisions. Which means that the software used for
such signatures or certifications cannot be transmitted outside the
United States, or disclosed to ``foreign persons'' even within the
United States, without first getting a license. As I read the ITAR,
even the disclosure by one foreign person to another outside of the
United States of a description of cryptogaphic software would constitute
a felony under the law of the United States: foreign persons cannot
obtain licenses under the ITAR. (Of course the regulations are as
unconstitutional as they are ridiculous; that is why I will almost
certainly win my suit.)

Peter D. Junger--Case Western Reserve University Law School--Cleveland, OH
Internet:  junger@pdj2-ra.f-remote.cwru.edu    junger@samsara.law.cwru.edu