11.0586 Ekstein book, salt workers & Babelfish

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Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 11, No. 586.
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[1] From: Geoffrey Rockwell <grockwel@mcmaster.ca> (17)
Subject: Book

[2] From: "David L. Gants" <dgants@english.uga.edu> (34)
Subject: Re: salt workers

[3] From: "David L. Gants" <dgants@english.uga.edu> (51)
Subject: Babelfish output

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:51:28 -0500
From: Geoffrey Rockwell <grockwel@mcmaster.ca>
Subject: Book

Dear Hans,

Regarding the book you were looking for. I think it is:

Eksteins, Modris.
Rites of spring : the Great War and the birth of the Modern Age
Toronto : Lester & Orpen Dennys, 1989.
xvi, 396 p., [16] p. of plates : ill. ; 24 cm.
World War, 1914-1918 --Influence
Civilization, Modern --20th century


Geoffrey Rockwell

[and thanks to the others who responded with the same citation -- WM]

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:37:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "David L. Gants" <dgants@english.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: salt workers

>> From: Dan Jorgensen <jorgensen@SSCL.UWO.CA>

Pierre Lemonnier of CNRS Marseille did work with salt makers in France, I
believe. His email address is:


Dan Jorgensen

At 10:03 AM 11/02/1998 -0500, BLTMHALL wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:08:40 +0000 (GMT) Irene Berton Labigalini
><an601ibl@scorpio.gold.ac.uk> wrote:
>> I am interested in ethnographic work related to salinas or salt
>> workers.Does anyone have any information about it?
>I don't know much about salt workers but I have seen the product of a
>society of people who mined salt for a living. The salt mine (I can't
>remember it's name) is just outside Krakow (in Poland). My
>girlfriend and I visited the mine in 1995. We really intended to visit
>Auschwitz but the train took us in the other direction and we ended
>up at the mine. The mine is an incredible sight where the workers
>carved intricate sculptures of mythical figures and even built an
>underground cathedral, all out of salt.
>I think it's quite famous and there is probably a lot written about it
>somewhere so this might be a good starting point for you.

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:38:15 -0500 (EST)
From: "David L. Gants" <dgants@english.uga.edu>
Subject: Babelfish output

>> From: "V.H.Knight" <zzaasvk@cs6400.mcc.ac.uk>

You invited amusing examples of Babelfish output. Some of my friends have
had fun pointing it at one another's Web pages, at Railtrack's site (West
Ham becomes 'il prosciutto ad ovest' in Italian) or a bus timetable
('Angeho:riges Ausdru:cklich' is 'National Express'!). My husband tried
translation from English and back again on something more literary with the
following results:

> I met a piece of run of a antiken country,
> Which said: `two considerable and trunkless legs of the stone
> Location in the wasteland. Close them on the sand,
> Half marked sunk, lies broken visage, their Stirnrunzeln
> And geknitterte lip and Sneer of the cold instruction,
> Shows you that the Sculptorvertiefung, which reads those inclinations
> Nevertheless survives you, on those liveless things:
> The hands, which it mocked and the inside, which drew in.
> And on the support these words appear:
> ``My name is Ozymandias, king of the kings!
> Look on my work, powerful ye and despair''.
> Nothing beside Remains. All around the decay
> Of this colossal Wrackes, boundlessly and expose you,
> Lonely and horizontally aligned sand expand far away.'
> That is a well-known poem translated into German and back again using
> AltaVista's automatic translation facility. It works a little better via
> French:
> I met a traveller of an ancient ground,
> Which the aforementioned `the vast ones and trunkless legs of two of
> the stone
> Stand in the desert. Close to them, on sand,
> Half-gone down, lies broken of face, of which wrinkling of eyebrows
> And lip ruffled, and snigger of command cold
> Said that the well of sculptor these passions read
> So that however survive, pressed on these things without life:
> The hands which scoffed them, and the heart which fed.
> And on the pedestal these words appear:
> The ``my name is Ozymandias, king of the kings!
> Look on my work, ye powerful, and despair''.
> Nothing close to the remainders.
> Around the attenuation of this colossal wreck, unlimited and discover,
> Only and sands of level extend far far'
> Dr G.K. Sankaran, | Telephone: +44 1225 826220
> Mathematical Sciences, | Fax: +44 1225 826492
> University of Bath, | Email: gks@maths.bath.ac.uk
> Bath BA2 7AY, | WWW: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~masgks/gks.html
> England |

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