14.0170 cyberspace

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                   Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 14, No. 170.
           Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London

       [1] From: "Aguera, Helen" <HAguera@neh.gov> (17)
             Subject: RE: 14.0152 why "cyberSPACE"?

       [2] From: "Pat Moran" <pjmoran@gdsys.net> (72)
             Subject: Re: 14.0152 why "cyberSPACE"?

             Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:33:33 +0100
             From: "Aguera, Helen" <HAguera@neh.gov>
             Subject: RE: 14.0152 why "cyberSPACE"?


            On the August 2000 issue of _The Atlantic Monthly_, Jonathan G.S.
    Kopell discusses some of the consequences of what he calls "the
    cyberspace-as-place metaphor." His note, "No 'There' There: Why Cyberspace
    Isn't Anyplace," is available at:


    Helen C. Aguera
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             Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:59:21 +0100
             From: "Pat Moran" <pjmoran@gdsys.net>
             Subject: Re: 14.0152 why "cyberSPACE"?

    Dear Dr. McCarty,

      From the viewpoint of a relatively uninitiated person (me),
    the metaphor of cyberspace is the only thing that allows
    dealing with the idea of the virtual body.

    Any metaphor (symbol, personification, allusion, analogy,
    synecdoche, metonymy or allegory) only works if the necessary
    foundation (world view, Weltanschauung) is
    present in both the receiver and the sender [as in this
    radio allusion].

    I'm completely blown away [wind/dynamite metaphor]
    by this message. Isn't the idea that we utilize
    every possible linkage? When I went to Trinity University
    in 1974, thinking about taking a masters in special education
    (for the deaf) because I was challenged and joyful at my
    relationship with three deaf students, I was told, "We
    don't do sign language. We only work with residual hearing
    and lip-reading."

    Returning to the Bexar School for the Deaf, I talked to
    the chair, asking if he hadn't taken their M.A. He said that he had.
    When I queried how he could be such a vibrant multifaceted
    instructor (who used every technique I'd ever heard of) and
    still make it through their program. He said, "I sat on my
    hands and kept my mouth shut."

    The idea of not using cyberspace as a metaphor,
    such a part of popular culture, seems almost as counter-
    productive as sitting on one's hands.

    I hope I'll hear from you, but I'm not sure the whole
    Humanities Listserv would be interested.

       --Patricia J. Moran mailto:pjm0362@mailer.fsu.edu
    Florida State University, EFPS, 312 Stone Bldg.
    Tallahassee, FL 32306

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    > Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 14, No. 152.
    > Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London
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    > Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:43:08 +0100
    > From: Willard McCarty <willard.mccarty@kcl.ac.uk>
    > Subject: "cyberspace"?
    > Dear colleagues,
    > Perhaps someone might be interested in persuading me and, I suppose, some
    > others that the metaphor of "cyberspace" actually contributes something to
    > our ability to talk about computing and its cultural consequences. In
    > words, what does this term mean? What is spatial, and what good does it do
    > for us to speak in spatial terms about computing when the physical
    > disposition of computers and people is not the issue? We are already so
    > vexed by bafflegab and hyperinflated promotional claims that, I'd suggest,
    > using such words as thoughtlessly as I hear them used is no minor
    > annoyance. Unless I'm being insensitive to some deep stab of insight....
    > Many thanks.
    > Yours,
    > WM
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    > maui gratias agere

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