14.0229 research & the commercial world

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       [1] From: Bill Kretzschmar <billk@atlas.uga.edu> (28)
             Subject: Humanist: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

       [2] From: Jean-Claude =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gu=E9don?= (15)
                     <guedon@LITTCO.UMontreal.CA> (by
             Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

       [3] From: "P. T. Rourke" <ptrourke@mediaone.net> (18)
             Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

       [4] From: "Erik Ringmar" <e.ringmar@lse.ac.uk> (9)
             Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

       [5] From: EditorAnn@aol.com (3)
             Subject: Fwd: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

       [6] From: "Osher Doctorow" <osher@ix.netcom.com> (15)
             Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

       [7] From: "Chris McMahon" <pharmakeus@hotmail.com> (3)
             Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

       [8] From: "Chris McMahon" <pharmakeus@hotmail.com> (2)
             Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

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             Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:11:53 +0100
             From: Bill Kretzschmar <billk@atlas.uga.edu>
             Subject: Humanist: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

    It is quite normal for consultants to sign non-disclosure agreements before
    they begin work on a commercial project. Of course this rubs us academics
    the wrong way since we value academic freedom and freedom of
    information--but the Bloomsbury/Encarta Project is commercial, not
    academic. I was one of those who signed such an agreement for the first
    stage of the project, now published, and became a member of its advisory
    board. I thought twice about it, but the commercial nature of the work was
    the overriding factor.

    This is an important issue, I think. Since information in the humanities
    now has growing commercial value, many of us will be asked to participate
    in commercial ventures. We should be clear about the terms under which we
    participate. Our colleagues in engineering, business, and other fields
    have had consulting opportunities for some time, and they have had to
    wrestle with this topic. My university has rules about consulting, which
    are designed to regulate potential conflicts of interest. If you want the
    money from consulting, you have to agree with the terms, both from your
    institution and from your commercial employer. If you want to be a pure
    idealist about freedom of information, you must be satisfied with your
    humanities salary.

    In my own case, I freely give away my research results when they come from
    an academic endeavor, and I also sign consulting agreements that involve
    proprietary information while observing university regulations--I see no
    conflict between these two activities.
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             Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:12:36 +0100
             From: Jean-Claude =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gu=E9don?=
    <guedon@LITTCO.UMontreal.CA> (by
             Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

    Thank you for reminding all of us that some very basic principles can still
    guide the behavior of academics.

    And thank you for reminding us that such principles can still be put ahead of
    money.

    Best,

    Jean-Claude Gudon

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    Dpartement de littrature compare
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    --[3]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:13:09 +0100 From: "P. T. Rourke" <ptrourke@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

    > I was recently approached by an editor from Bloomsbury/Encarta to work on a > college edition of their Encarta Dictionary, but told that before I could > be informed of the exact nature of the project or the terms of my > employment I would have to sign a confidentiality agreement containing the > following alarming language: > Does anybody else find this as bizarre as I do? The editor defended it as > empty legaleze but didn't offer to waive any of the clauses.

    > Obviously, I didn't sign it; and am among the ignorant of the inner essence > of this hermetic endeavor, but free to comment. Those of you who have not > taken Microsoft's blood oath, what is your reaction?

    That it is probably what you should expect from the folks who hold a patent on electronic style sheets, a patent that isn't worth the paper it's written on, as it's clearly prior art. They're using every possible legal method they can to proprietize both content and delivery - indeed, I'd say that with .NET one could argue that they are trying to proprietize the 'net itself. That's how monopolies work.

    Patrick Rourke

    --[4]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:13:46 +0100 From: "Erik Ringmar" <e.ringmar@lse.ac.uk> Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

    Dear Paul,

    Good for you. Someone has to defend the principles of publicity on which scholarship rests. It seems Microsoft is doing to ideas what Monsanto is doing to our genes. What will happen when every bit of public space is copyrighted and privatised?

    yours,

    Erik

    Erik Ringmar

    Dept of Government LSE

    --[5]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:14:25 +0100 From: EditorAnn@aol.com Subject: Fwd: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

    They left out an essential clause:

    "If you agree to these terms, and so signify by affixing your signature, 5 minutes after returning it by mail, you will self-destruct, thereby obliterating all remaining evidence that we have ever been in communication."

    --[6]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:15:01 +0100 From: "Osher Doctorow" <osher@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

    From: Osher Doctorow, osher@ix.netcom.com, Fri. Sept. 8, 2000, 12:07AM

    I have not subscribed to any blood oath, so I can say that the whole affair is most curious. Microsoft is headquartered in Washington State, is it not, which is where you are. If the contact was really from Microsoft, then perhaps the person thought that Washington residents are likely to support Microsoft even in bizarre circumstances. If the contact was not from Microsoft, then that is much trouble about a dictionary. Perhaps it was intended to either impugn Microsoft or give the impression of impugning Microsoft from one of Microsoft's mis-inspired friends or enemies. If Bill Gates would give his money to Humanities Discussion, this problem could never arise, since we would all soon make dictionaries and encyclopedias of every computer related humanities related problem under the sun (more or less). In fact, we can start a campaign entitled "Dollar bills from Bill." It might have to be limited to the USA, but I for one would share with my colleagues in Great Britain.

    Osher

    --[7]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:15:33 +0100 From: "Chris McMahon" <pharmakeus@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

    My reaction? Paranoia!

    >Those of you who have not >taken Microsoft's blood oath, what is your reaction?

    :) Chris

    --[8]------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:16:21 +0100 From: "Chris McMahon" <pharmakeus@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: 14.0212 secret dictionary project

    Sorry. I meant so say "paranoia". Please, don't talk so loud.

    :) Chris

    (who said that?)



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