14.0456 XML and the WWW

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                   Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 14, No. 456.
           Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London
       [1]   From:    Christian Wittern <wittern@mail.iis.sinica.edu.tw>  (18)
             Subject: Re: 14.0449 XML and the Web
       [2]   From:    "David L. Gants" <dgants@english.uga.edu>           (34)
             Subject: Re: 14.0449 XML and the Web
       [3]   From:    "Osher Doctorow" <osher@ix.netcom.com>              (26)
             Subject: Re: 14.0448 characteristics of the Web
             Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 07:53:07 +0000
             From: Christian Wittern <wittern@mail.iis.sinica.edu.tw>
             Subject: Re: 14.0449 XML and the Web
    Willard McCarty <willard.mccarty@kcl.ac.uk> writes:
      > Dear Dr Wittern:
      > Thanks for this. I note that the Topicmaps site is registered but has
      > no content. Perhaps you would like to say more about this?
    I am sorry, I was quoting from memory... The URL should have been
    http://www.topicmaps.com -- somehow propably I felt that this belongs
    more to the ORG domain.
    There are a lot of other URL's worth mentioning. One of them is at
    I am far too busy to look for the other :-) No, seriously, I think the
    above will give everybody a good start at investigating Topicmaps.
    [material deleted]
       Dr. Christian Wittern
       Chung-Hwa Institute of Buddhist Studies
       276, Kuang Ming Road, Peitou 112
       Taipei, TAIWAN
       Tel. +886-2-2892-6111#65, Email chris@ccbs.ntu.edu.tw
             Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:28:28 +0000
             From: "David L. Gants" <dgants@english.uga.edu>
             Subject: Re: 14.0449 XML and the Web
       >> From: "Rafael Alvarado" <alvarado@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
    Just a quick remark about the issue of printing xml to html.  Willard
    rightly deplores the current state of affairs but overstates the case when
    he writes, "[a]s long as one cannot access the xml structure of an edition
    from the outside, but has only the data chunks, which fit into a browser
    window, the whole power of  XPointer, XLink and XPath can't be used."
    Currently there are ways to get around this problem and expose the power of
    the xml's auxiliary technologies.   One approach is to generate, by means of
    xslt, thick html that replicates the data structure of a document by using
    html's existing structural tags -- p, div, span, etc. -- and adding id and
    class attributes to them.  Individual words or lines can then be tagged and
    linked either directly or indirectly (mediated by a menu of links) to server
    side queries that use the various xml linking and searching technologies to
    retrieve text and generate more thick html.  Until we actually have a true
    browser that understands all of xml such an approach is the only means of
    bridging the to the gap between the xml storage and html publication, data
    framework or not.
    [Pls note that it was Fotis Jannidis, as below, who wrote the above-quoted 
    words; I don't know enough to say such things! :-) WM]
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      >          Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:01:49 +0000
      >          From: "Fotis Jannidis" <fotis.jannidis@lrz.uni-muenchen.de>
      >          Subject: Re: 14.0440 hypertext and the Web and XML
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             Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:31:48 +0000
             From: "Osher Doctorow" <osher@ix.netcom.com>
             Subject: Re: 14.0448 characteristics of the Web
    From: Osher Doctorow osher@ix.netcom.com, Tues. Oct. 31, 2000 6:15AM
    Malcolm Hayward of the Indiana University of Pennsylvania English Department
    is absolutely correct (well, as close to absolutely as possible), in my
    opinion.   The internet is excellent for speed of retrieval and finding
    papers on particular topics and storing and ease of communicating with other
    scientists (many of whom refuse to communicate outside peer-reviewed
    journals or internal groups inside universities or other places).  However,
    new methods of organizing, creativity, invention, thinking are as difficult
    to find on the internet as on the outside - except that you can reach the
    cutting edge of mainstream research and "ingenious follower" research.
    Creativity, invention, organizing, however, often do not follow from the
    cutting edge of mainstream research.  Now that I have returned (part time)
    to college teaching, the importance of making both the internet and the
    classroom/academic environment more innovative concerns me very much.  In
    the absence of any other ideas, maybe we have to keep repeating examples and
    theories of the negative consequences of mainstream non-innovativeness and
    non-creativity (not intending to coin words) on humanities internet and
    science internet and pray for the best.  I also find that attacking both/all
    political parties before and during elections sometimes makes people more
    alert, which may make them think more.  I would also recommend an
    "ANTI-TV-COMPUTER GAMES" subsection of both humanist and science forums,
    because our TV-hypnotized little darling (for example), not to speak of our
    own people, may simply have no time to invent because of their preoccupation
    with "fun and games".  The world may be stage, but I do not think that it
    was meant to be a TV-computer game.
    Osher the UnGamed
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