19.330 contemplation and computing

From: Willard McCarty <willard.mccarty_at_KCL.AC.UK>
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:11:45 +0100

               Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 19, No. 330.
       Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London
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   [1] From: "Price, Dan" <Dan.Price_at_tui.edu> (25)
         Subject: about the quote from Plato

   [2] From: Wendell Piez <wapiez_at_mulberrytech.com> (27)
         Subject: Re: 19.322 contemplation and computing

         Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:23:26 +0100
         From: "Price, Dan" <Dan.Price_at_tui.edu>
         Subject: about the quote from Plato

Hi Willard,

A quick search (and by means inclusive) search on Google of various
editions of Plato's Republic did not provide me with the text that
used the reference numbers (562e to 563) you indicate for the quote
from Plato. Can you post the quote OR indicate on the web where it
can be found. Many of the references to the complete text are to the
Jowett translation of 1901 which does not utilize those numbers.

Thank you,


[My citation was in reference to the Stephanus numbering (referring
to the Renaissance edn of Henri Estienne, Geneva 1578), as is
conventional. The passage is in Republic VIII, and begins "And this
anarchic temper, said I, my friend, must penetrate into private homes
and finally enter into the very animals." (trans. Paul Shorey, from
the Collected Dialogues, ed. Hamilton and Cairns, Bollingen LXXI,
Princeton University Press, 1961, pp. 791f.]

Dan Price, Ph.D.
Professor, Gantz Undergraduate Center
(800) 486 3116 ext. 1222 FAX 513 861 9026
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Cincinnati OH 45206

         Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:25:25 +0100
         From: Wendell Piez <wapiez_at_mulberrytech.com>
         Subject: Re: 19.322 contemplation and computing

Dear Willard,

The doomed-youth trope is as old as literature, probably (if
literature is any indication) as old as humanity. Prof Weinshank
retrieves it from Hesiod. As I recall, there are passages in Homer
that amount to the same thing.

I'm sympathetic to your hint that this has more to do with the
changing perspectives of aging, ourselves, than it has to do with
anything external. I was never so smart as when I was eighteen --
since then I've only been learning how much I still don't know. It
sure *feels* smart to be eighteen. When I was eighteen, not only I
but also all the other eighteen-year-olds were smart. And respectful
(at least of those elders who deserved it). And mature, for our age.
Now ... they are all so young!

Of course, while we misattribute quotes to Socrates lamenting the
failing, degenerate state of our youth, let's also remember that
according to Aristophanes it was all Socrates' fault to begin with.


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