21.146 geographical models: the Netherlands

From: Humanist Discussion Group (by way of Willard McCarty willard.mccarty_at_kcl.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 06:57:56 +0100

               Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 21, No. 146.
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         Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:53:17 +0100
         From: "Hunsucker, R.L." <R.L.Hunsucker_at_uva.nl>
         Subject: RE: 21.144 geographical models: the Netherlands

Dear Willard and others,

If you can bear with me a bit longer : just a further note on what I
wrote in great haste on Saturday (before running off to the theatre).

In addtion to the typo ("teleration" for "toleration"), I note that the
direct url under which I accessed the pdf-file of Van Iterson's paper
doesn't work now that I try it after distribution on this list. Because
it's a quite interesting paper, let me mention, then, that you can get
to it e.g. via the Research Papers in Economics service at EconPapers
or the University of Connecticut Econ Dept.'s "Ideas" site

It is perhaps furthermore useful to mention that this particular
Netherlandish manifestation of a "native geographical model" came
into some international prominence with the rise and fall of the
so-called "polder model" * in the period of the 1990s through the
first five or so years of the 21st century. ( An obvious reference here
is the book _Exit polder model? : socioeconomic changes in the
Netherlands_, by Lei Delsen [revised and translated from the Dutch.
- Westport, Conn.: Praeger, 2002]. )

* The _OED_'s definition of "polder" being : "a piece of low-lying
land reclaimed from the sea, a river, etc., and protected by dykes".
The concept of a "polder mentality" is a fairly often-referred-to one
in these parts. It also plays a small part, by the way, in Jared Diamond's
_Collapse : how societies choose to fail or succeed_ (Allen Lane and
Viking, 2005).

- Laval Hunsucker

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> From: "Hunsucker, R.L." <R.L.Hunsucker_at_uva.nl>
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> Willard,
> Very interesting topic to think about.
> > > [ . . . ]
> > Does anyone here know of others?
> I've seen no reponse yet to this query, and may be speaking
> slightly out of turn (as non-native here), but one that occurs to
> me is the commonplace that Holland's centuries-long battle
> with the waters has (but actually: to what extent?) determined
> ways of thinking and acting (cooperation, compromise,
> consensus, teleration) that were most obvious in the early
> modern period, but still operative today. How far can you take
> this -- also into the intellectual, literary and artistic spheres ?
> As I say, this is a sort of commonplace, also here, a kind of
> cliche. See, for example the paper by Ad van Iterson, "The
> development of national governance principles in the Netherlands"
> (Maastricht : NIBOR, 1997), available at :
> http://arno.unimaas.nl/show.cgi?fid=3D655
> -- but also, for a more critical view, dating to the same year :
> "Dutch nation-building: a struggle against the water?", by Hans
> Knippenberg in _GeoJournal_ 43.1, p.27-40. See, too, Sako
> Musterd & Ben de Pater, "Eclectic and pragmatic: the colours
> of Dutch social and cultural geography", _Social & cultural
> geography_ 4.4 (2003), p.549-563.
> - Laval Hunsucker
> UvAmsterdam
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