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[1] From: Jim ODonnell
Subject: Fwd: first HUMANIST post (97)
[2] From: Ian Johnson
Subject: [Humanist] 33.785: on preserving work (was: on using academia.edu) (135)
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Date: 2020-05-12 00:00:51+00:00
From: Jim ODonnell
Subject: Fwd: first HUMANIST post
I wonder if this one got caught by the gremlins? Was mildly surprised that
it never seemed to go through -- or am I just wrong? Good to have an
excuse to say howdy . . .
jo'd
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From: Jim O'Donnell
Date: Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 7:10 AM
Subject: Fwd: first HUMANIST post
To:
Dear Humanist,
Time flies when you're having fun. In the thirty years since my first
posting to HUMANIST, we have all lived through a chapter in the history of
reading that we at best dimly imagined. When I wanted to read the works of
St. Augustine myself in those days (it happens), I depended on a motley
variety of purchased volumes (including 22 volumes of Latin/Spanish
editions purchased in 1972 for $75) and a half file-drawer of photocopies
of a 19th century edition I had paid a graduate student to produce to fill
in the substantial gaps. Now all five million words are securely
downloaded to my iPad so that I needn't wait a second longer than necessary
to consult him, wherever in the world I may be. I am frequently brought up
short to realize how easily and naturally this all seems to have happened
when it is really an astonishing and astonishingly swift transition.
With greetings and thanks to our HUMANIST in chief, Willard M.!
Jim O'Donnell
NO-LONGER@PENNSAS
http://www.digitalhumanities.org/humanist/Archives/Virginia/v03/0349.html
3.350 reading Greeks, cont. (53)
Willard McCarty (MCCARTY@VM.EPAS.UTORONTO.CA)
Sun, 13 Aug 89 22:50:00 EDT
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Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 3, No. 350. Sunday, 13 Aug 1989.
(1) Date: 11 Aug 89 21:55:34 EST (24 lines)
From: James O'Donnell
Subject: reading greeks
(2) Date: 12 Aug 89 11:33:08 EST (9 lines)
From: James O'Donnell
Subject: reading Greeks
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Date: 11 Aug 89 21:55:34 EST
From: James O'Donnell
Subject: reading greeks
From: jodonnel @ pennsas
Just signed on to HUMANIST yesterday and find a discussion today, citing
anterior discussion, that seems on internal evidence to deal with the
ancient question whether the Greeks read silently or not....
The decisive article, if not already cited, is
Bernard Knox in GREEK, ROMAN, AND BYZANTINE STUDIES for about 1968,
demonstrating that the ability to read silently was present very early,
scouting the much earlier article of J. Balogh, `Voces paginarum' (vintage
1926), claiming that St. Ambrose is the first silent reader ever as noted at
Augustine Confessions 6.3.3 (and claiming that Augustine was a quick study,
picking up the trick by Confessions 8.12.29). Joseph Mazzeo's long-venerated
article on St. Aug. and the Rhetoric of Silence (Jour of History of Ideas c.
1960, reprinted in a volume of his collected essays) has some later
references; perfectly clear that moving your lips and at least murmuring the
words was an important part of the game until at least late middle ages, and
of course well into modern times reading aloud was prescribed as healthful
exercise. Underlying questions very Torontonian, long batted about by
McLuhan,
Havelock, and Stock. Is any of this non-redundant?
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Date: 12 Aug 89 11:33:08 EST
From: James O'Donnell
Subject: reading Greeks
If not too late, add refs.:
``For the middle ages, see I. Illich, ABC: THE ALPHABETIZATION OF THE
POPULAR
MIND (esp. for bibliography) and P. Saenger with a long article in VIATOR
for
1982. But for Greeks specifically, Knox still the standard.''
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Date: 2020-05-11 09:57:39+00:00
From: Ian Johnson
Subject: [Humanist] 33.785: on preserving work (was: on using academia.edu)
Francois, Gabriel, Tim,
Could I go further and suggest that the important thing is not open
standards per se but the _separation of data and presentation_. By all
means use LockEmUpViz to explore your data, even to present results, but
don't use it as storage even if you hope one day to persuade them to
open the format.
Manage data in a proper data management system, use any tool you like to
get results (assuming you know/trust how it gets there) because research
should be pushing the boundaries of the possible, but when it comes to
thinking about he future save the data in a well-documented format,
document the workflows, document the final look-and-feel, and in 50
years time someone's AI-powered personal assistant will be able to
reproduce the product of your years of painstaking work in seconds ...
To put that in perspective, an early 1970s database in my field was a
flat fixed-width file (or deck of cards) on a mainframe with coded
columns and a codesheet (inline or separate) into which you edited your
analysis instructions, perhaps producing line printer character graphs
(processing turnaround time 1 - 2 hours if you were not one of the lucky
few with online disk storage and a terminal). Within a couple of decades
that would be no more than a simple data file, easily migrated to an
interactive analysis environment on the desktop, coloured graphs, pixel
printing, even some mapping. Footnote: documentation standards often
went downhill, because it became TOO easy to just create a new column
and shove in any old text ...
Regards
Ian
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Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 33, No. 785.
Department of Digital Humanities, King's College London
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Date: 2020-04-20 22:50:27+00:00
From: Tim Smithers
Subject: Re: [Humanist] 33.784: on using academia.edu
Dear Gabriel,
In reply to Francois you wrote
"... we should only ever use Open Standards and formats,
not proprietary ones."
Yes, but I'd gently suggest it's not as simple as that.
We should continue to try different things, as and when they
become available, wherever they come from. When these prove
widely usable and useful, but are proprietary, we should ask
for, or push for, them to be made an Open Standard, like what
happened to PDF, for example.
The frontier between proprietary and open is porous. We
should not, I think, treat them as antagonistic realms.
Especially since some good things do arrive first as
proprietary products, PDF being one of them.
What should drive how we do what we do is what makes it the
best way of doing it. This is what I tell PhD students.
(Then you need to help them learn what it takes to judge well
what makes some way of doing something the best. It's seldom
a simple judgement.)
Best regards,
Tim
> On 20 Apr 2020, at 09:18, Humanist wrote:
>
> Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 33, No. 784.
> Department of Digital Humanities, King's College London
> Hosted by King's Digital Lab
> www.dhhumanist.org
> Subject: Re: [Humanist] 33.780: on using academia.edu
>
> Francois Lachance writes:
>
>> I recently fell victim to the disappearance of
>> browser support (plug-in) for Shockwave. (A
>> page BTW not captured by the Wayback Machine)
>
> This is why we should only ever use Open Standards
> and formats, not proprietary ones. It is possible to
> preserve the means to make sense of obsolete proprietary
> formats such as Shockwave by emulating the hardware
> and/or software platforms needed to support them. There's
> a wonderful project at the University of Freiburg on
> 'Emulation as a Service', as they call it, that addresses
> this. They already can provide support for software and
> data that rely upon environments such as Apple OS 7
> and earlier or IBM's OS/2.
>
> I consider such endeavours to be a kind of cleaning up
> after we've made a mess of things rather that having
> a place within our responsible planning for the longevity
> of our digital cultural artefacts. The United Kingdom's
> main state funder of Arts and Humanities research, the
> Arts and Humanities Research Council, rightly insists
> on Open everything (Open Standards, Open Data, Open
> Access, Open Source) in all the projects it funds
> unless a really strong case can be made for doing
> otherwise.
>
> Regards
>
> Gabriel Egan
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